Complaints from ATS users: Disclaimer: All of the following posts have come from ATS threads devoted to Isaac and the CARET story. All posts are the respective property of the user who posted them. If you choose to re-post them elsewhere, credit must be given to the person who made the post. All reprints of the texts herein must be done so in accordance with AboveTopSecret.com terms & conditions of service. User: XPhiles posted on 7/28/2007 @ 12:30 AM I'm not surprised of her talking about crop circles lol.... I guess the Computer Science and Engineering Guy or the "Document Creator" didn't fair well in rehearsal. Maybe they where afraid he may slip up? Edit: Oh! yeah, I'm not listening in on the show tonight, thanks for the update.... I knew it was going to be a sham User: Yuefo posted on 7/28/2007 @ 12:31 AM Right, because she's a business woman. $$ I'm not bothered, but I'm sorry that she's letting you and others down. I know that you're not a skeptic about this, but maybe this experience will lead you to some re-evaluation. User: pjslug (me) posted on 7/28/2007 @ 12:33 AM Well that was a jip. She didn't talk at all about the CARET report. And I was waiting all week for that. User: pjslug (me) posted on 7/28/2007 @ 12:33 AM Yeah, well neither she or George mentioned that it wouldn't be discussed, and I think thats a horrible failure on both of their parts. And they didn't change the information on the C2C site either. It still says that's what is being discussed. I sent George a fast blast telling him how pissed off I was. user: pjslug Side note to George & Linda: You have seen the rest of my e-mails, so no need for me to re-post those. User: XPhiles posted on 7/28/2007 @ 12:37 AM pjslug Yeah, I don't blame you for feeling this way... I wonder how many they T-off again... Wow, this is just as bad as the Wednesday's Ouija Board Special.... I feel your pain... User: yuefo posted on 7/28/2007 @ 12:41 AM Absolutely right, it's shameless and unethical. I used to respect Linda for her work on cattle mutilations. That all changed when I saw how she has behaved throughout the drone debacle. I've never been a fan of C2C, so nothing disappoints there. user: wildone106 posted on 7/28/2007 @ 08:47 AM After reading the latest email's he sent her, it just further concrete's my feeling he's a complete 'tool' & sham. The pictures are PAINFULLY obvious fakes and the more he opens his mouth the worse it sounds. No wonder he wont talk on the phone because he's scared of slipping up more! He thinks he has every detail covered and talking live would open him to potential errors. Aside from that he really said nothing more to back up his claim & just talked about the history of laser printing (thanks wikipedia) user: KNOWBODY posted on 7/28/2007 @ 10:40 AM I was also dissapointed in the c2c show. I cancelled my streamlink subscription.Will we ever know the true story of CARET? Not from C2C but I'm sure ATS will eventually get to the bottom of it.If you charged just to be a member to read the posts here I would gladly contribute! user: Donoso posted on 7/28/2007 @ 12:36 PM Why listen in on C2C when you know ATS is far better for information? I mean, alright, you can consider them sometimes "first party" because they're famous and people may open up more there... (which also means more noise) But I'm pretty sure that ATS is equally as famous when it comes to alternative sites dedicated to finding out what's real and what's not. The letters though, those are pretty interesting. I personally thought that if he were to speak again it would be accompanied with a multitude of pictures or what not. Not just 2 letters defending himself. While it's nice he did do so, it's also interesting that from all those papers/pictures he claimed to take, we're still left with a whole bunch of pretty objects and fancy typing. I'm still very much interested about this CARET thing, more so if it's a hoax, believe it or not. user: yuefo posted on 7/28/2007 @ 01:52 PM Good on you! This relates to something I've been bringing up in the Issac theads for a long time--Earthfiles and C2C have financial incentive beyond mere web traffic, offering paid subscription content. Follow the money--look at who are the exclusive recipients of the latest, greatest photos and information on the drones. Anyone who is a subscriber to either Earthfiles or C2C should have a major alarm going off after this latest debacle. Bless you ATS, with your totally free content. These are guys who aren't in it to take you on a ride and take your money. Compare and draw your own conclusions. user: yuefo posted on 8/8/2007 @ 12:53 AM Good on you, pj! What he's trying to tell you is that he doesn't give a flying blip that you're calling him out. Probably the only reason he responded at all was that he thought the part about ATSer revolting en masse might be true. The difference between us is, I never devote that much energy on someone who is that dishonest and disrespectful. But I'm wowed by your tenacity and fight for accountability. user: el cid posted on 8/8/2007 @ 02:51 PM kudos to you for being persistent...closed mouths do not get fed. although the odds of her giving ATS access to her source are slim. user: -0mega- posted on 8/8/2007 @ 02:57 PM Funny thing how Isaac ''stole" X amount of docs, wanted to give it all to us, then apparently didn't give everything he had to give? She not giving ATS access to her source? Her source being Isaac? Isaac being THE WHOLE THING this is revolving around? Basically Isaac is the only thing that keeps this from falling apart (for some). Others still believe that the drone itself is true, using Saladfingers (or w/e his name was lol) cgi as ''proof''. user: maybereal11 posted on 8/8/2007 @ 03:11 PM LMH Wrote <> I might be missing something, but I am unclear as to how one relates to the other. Why would the potential of a phone interview with Isaac delay releasing the email responses by a month? Is there some reason she couldn't simply release the emails and continue to pursue the possibility of a phone interview? I am not being sarcastic, it's an honest question. I don't get it. Also...would LMH be willing to share if she has had any other communication with Isaac what-so-ever since these emails in June? Has he just refused the interview or ceased communication entirely with C2C? If he was willing to respond to the softball questions concerning the material, then why not provide LMH with a few well chosen and tactful hardball questions for Isaac to respond to. And if I understand her correctly, she chose to bump the interview with the academic concerning the CARET material for the sake of another sighting. Would she be willing to re-schedule fro an upcomming episode? Is the professor still available? user: agent violet posted on 8/8/2007 @ 05:09 PM Thats just it (as I stated many, many pages ago. and it was then refuted by others, and then after more pages it was revived) Isaac responded to questions that weren't even asked yet. that is if the LMH time/dates are correct, and if LMH provided her internet audience with the full list of questions/answers and correspondence that took place between her and Isaac. Which I highly doubt she did. I believe that in response to pjslug's correspondance with her, she made a comment something like ".....what Isaac authorized me to release..." or something along those lines. This leads me to believe that Isaac revealed more to LMH than what LMH is in fact sharing with all of us. being as that she said he allowed/authorized (or whatever) her to say such and such, that means that he must have also said such and such that he did not authorize her to release etc... So if this is in fact true then what is the motive for LMH to lie to her paying audience? and, if she is willing to lie for an at the moment unknown reason, who else is (going/willing) to lie as well? Also, let us not forget that Isaac had obtained a lawyer as per the ATS community revealed during scrutiny of his website. So lets compile a list of what exactly we do possibly know about Isaac: 1: If the saint louis tapes are true, that makes isaac a male. who is interested in codes and hacking. 2: The lawyer he obtains is on the west coast, oregon or washington if i remember correctly. 3: Isaac has also been in california, specifically the palo alto region. he is also familiar with the south bay/saratoga area (as taken from his website). 4: Isaac is at the least within the age of retirement. (as referred to in the LMH info (via Isaac email) regarding this subject stating something like "...most of us are retired by now..." 5: While we dont know the job title Isaac held we do know what he wasn't as from the emails on LMH's page. Isaac was not a technical writer nor an artist nor was he involved in graphics or design. (all of the fore-listed positions in '5' can be extracted by his writing in the emails) In fact on Isaac's website he says thats "...his concentration of work pertained to the language..." (or something along those lines) he states on his page he went to post grad school for electrical engineering. 6: By Isaac's grammar and spelling errors alone i believe he is very math oriented. and his focus was not in the arts or literature, but more so the sciences and mathematics. however that does not rule out his possibility of having been in a 'rush' during his posts. but it does rule out his use of a spell check. 7. Isaac went to college, graduate and post graduate school during the late 70's that is if he finished grad and post grad school (which i presume he did) before he started woking at the DoD. however it is also possible that he was recruited for the DoD while in post grad school. So what i wanted to show was that even after all of these pages on this thread, Isaac's website, Isaac's two emails and a cornucopia of research we still know little to nothing about him. This leads me to believe we more than likely wont know anything more than what was already given for a long time, if ever. user: Lexion posted on 8/8/2007 @ 05:33 PM This may come as a shock, to those that have come to know me on ATS. I'm seriously leaning toward this being disinfo in it's best sense. I think (think, mind you) that there is a kernel of truth here. Maybe two. This is quite possibly one of the greatest spoon-feedings by the PTB that we've ever had. I'll keep looking. Regards, Lex user: NGC2736 posted on 8/8/2007 @ 05:44 PM pj, your threats are not hollow, my friend. As soon as I leave this site I will be contacting C2C and advising them of my displeasure. I will also advise them that my own website will put up a prominent notice within 48 hours that they (C2C) are not forthcoming, highlighting LMH as being most unwilling to communicate. Please advise them, and use my name, that the ripples of unrest are well founded. IF one of the main players will come to ATS for some questions and answers, then I will naturally reconsider. BUT, please stress to them that I, and others, will not be put off on this matter. I don't care how it inconveniences them, or how bad their schedule is, they dug this hole themselves, so now it's time to start digging back out. Feel free to quote me. user: chunder posted on 8/8/2007 @ 06:28 PM Can you point to any answer given by Isaac that was to a question that hadn't been asked ? PJ - great work. Lex (*the ATS member Lex, not the C2C Lex) - intriguing - look forward to more info user: klatunictobarata posted on 8/8/2007 @ 09:25 PM Good bird-dogging and I'm glad we are holding Noory's and LMH's feet to the fire. I am always suspicious to the motivation of anyone who makes a buck off of website subscriptions and ad/site clicking stats. That said, I still am researching the psychology involved in order to discern probabilities vis a vis hoax or whistleblower. One thing I can add: there was every way possible that the CARET/PRIMER/MANUAL was created back in 1986. I was involved in writing medical training manuals with illustrations for publication. Back in the early 1980's there were professional (meaning expensive) semi-computerized word processing and typesetting devices that could develop and print the type of manual we see in CARET and the PRIMER. And the word spacing is fixed, not justified, and that was normal at that time frame. Early word processor programs, such a WordPerfect and WordStar, could have easily accomplished this layout. What I don't think is realistic is that a MANUAL that is supposed to be ‘Above top Secret' would be PRINTED/PUBLISHED for civilian industry-based technology development with the all too conspicuous title: "Commercial Applications Research for Extraterrestrial Technology." Isn't that title a mite too obvious? If I were a hoaxer that would sound GREAT . . . however, I do not think that the military would allow a printed and published manual like this to be released to any civilian agency no matter what. user: pjslug (me) posted on 8/8/2007 @ 10:34 PM That's not necessarily true, violet. As it is my understanding (or at least my take on the matter), the e-mails we saw on the Earthfiles "Isaac Clarification" page were only a portion of the comments sent to LMH. But what is confusing is, if this is true, how did LMH get so many responses to the Isaac story within a day of it's release, especially when the release happened on C2C!!!! And one thing we need to find out is the date that Isaac put up the Fortunecity website. In order for the story to hold water, the Fortunecity site would have to have been put up before Isaac contacted C2C. If it was in fact put up after the story broke on C2C, then we know that C2C was participating in the disinfo since they would have had to modify their webpage to put Isaac's Fortunecity URL on it.